April 28, 2009
We have been in port so much lately that I have gotten way behind in my posts, but I will keep trying to catch up. Because of doing a daily devotion and teaching a meditation class on sea days, as well as going to lectures and doing a few deck games, I don’t seem to have any time!
Ho Chi Minh City (the locals still call it Saigon), Vietnam is hectic, cheap, dirty, and full of surprises. The first day we had to take a hydrofoil from the ship to a shuttle bus as our dock was taken by a container ship. The excuse was that the container ship needed repair, but we guessed later that it was the port authorities who needed their palms greased. Anyway the hydrofoil was fast and we walked down the main street in the rain to the big market. Luckily it is covered, so aside from needing our rain ponchos walking there, we did not have any problem. I bit on some silk pajamas, Ronnie on some perfume, and a few other small items, but the market is large enough that we were ready for lunch when we finished. We exited the market into the usual frenzy of hawkers, mostly trying to get you to take a rickshaw ride. It’s really more like a bicycle with a seat on the front, and one driver noticed our search for a restaurant and offered to take us to a local one for $1 for both of us. Well, we took the bait and off we went into the crazy Saigon traffic. And I mean crazy.
The millions of motor scooters, mopeds, motorcycles and occasional cars pay no attention to lights, crosswalks, or anything else. It’s a constant game of chicken to see who will yield to whom. Amazingly enough the initial total panic that we experienced going headlong into this chaos soon dissipated into somewhat amazed appreciation for the fact that it somehow seemed to work. We didn’t see any accidents, but we did hear that several people die each week in the city from motorbike accidents. Most do wear helmets, but we saw a family of four on one bike, and only the parents were wearing helmets (see photo).
It was a lot further than we anticipated to the restaurant, but the food was reasonably good and inexpensive. We noticed Rickshaw Ricky (as Ronnie has since come to call him) and his sidekick having a lunch on the house (we think, anyway) for bringing us there. And they were waiting for us afterwards, telling us all the places they would take us. Of course they had warmed us up at that point, calling us “Mamma” and “Poppa” and taking our photos in the Rickshaws. We did ask how much, and they said “Whatever you want to pay.” In my mind I was thinking if the ride to the restaurant was $1, maybe a few more stops would be a few more dollars. Of course we had been warned to agree to a firm price for transportation, but foolishly we went on without any. We actually had a great tour around the city, visiting temples, government buildings, churches, and the one we wanted to see most: The War Remnants Museum. Of course the time we went the wrong way on a one way street was terrifying, along with the time that Ronnie’s driver got way ahead of mine so we missed the light and my guy went right through the red light anyway. You think the traffic stopped for us? Yeah, right!?! But no one hit us and they did manage to weave their way around us.
Before telling about the second Vietnam War, as I have come to call the end of our Rickshaw ride, I will tell about the first Vietnam War from the Vietnamese perspective. Of course, from their perspective, it is called “The American War.” The War Remnants Museum shows not only artifacts of the war (see photo of American helicopter), but also depicts in photographs many massacres, such as Mi Lai, and the defoliation and human disease, death, and injury caused by burning napalm, Agent Orange and other chemicals. Indeed they claim Americans used Viet Nam as a place to test the effects of chemical warfare. They also show reconstructed prison cells where they claim Viet Cong prisoners were held, and alleged torture techniques used such as water boarding (sound familiar?).
Of course it is all very one sided, but we were reminded that it is their country, and they saw the US as invaders. Our perspective was that it was a civil war and the Viet Cong were the invading communists from the north. Again they saw the South Vietnamese as nothing more than a corrupt government and a puppet of the imperialist United States. Some of the questions that came up in my mind were: what would Viet Nam be like today if we had not gotten involved there? What did we accomplish? They see it as a great source of pride that they “won the war” and forced one of the most powerful nations of the world to withdraw. Our Rickshaw Ricky made is clear that after the Americans left Saigon, the North dropped bombs on Saigon since the South was still fighting and it is clear that many in the South suffered (death, imprisonment, loss of home and family) when the communists took over. Regardless of how you might feel about the war, you have to admire the ingenuity and determination of the Viet Cong.
Now to the second war. When we finished our tour the rickshaws stopped in a somewhat deserted street a few blocks from the hotel name we had given them, which was near our shuttle stop. We were thinking around $20 to be generous. They proceeded to tell us that no, it was $50 a piece. We reminded them they said whatever we wanted to pay, and they brought out a sheet showing how much they were supposed to get an hour. Of course, we couldn’t really figure out the sheet, and the little I could figure was that we owed them a whole lot less than they were asking, and all the dollars we had added up to about $17 (except for a $50 bill hidden away, which I was not about to give them). We offered them that, but they said they were insulted and their voices raised and got to the yelling point. Ronnie told them clearly not to yell, and I said if they cold take us to an ATM I might consider giving them more. They wanted us to get back in the Rickshaws, but no way we were doing that.
We followed them to the ATM, and when I put in my card, I was having trouble figuring out how much to get because of the conversion rate (about 17,000 dong to the dollar). Twice it asked me if I needed more time and I said yes, and then it finally said I was taking too long and ate my card! We were now much more upset by losing the card and told the drivers that. Rickshaw Ricky called the number listed on the ATM and finally got an English speaking man on the phone. He told me I could possibly pick up my card at their bank office 3 days later after 4 p.m. I told him we were leaving tomorrow early afternoon, and he said he would see what he could do and got my email address. Then Rickshaw Ricky was upset that we could not get money out of the machine and tried calling again. It was after 5 p.m. and there was no way the bank was doing anything then. We then started to walk away and noticed a security guard nearby laughing at the whole scene. I guessed he had seen the war before.
We gave Rickshaw Ricky the $17 and continued walking away with the two of them following us and continuing to demand more and wanting us to meet them the next morning back at the ATM to give them more $. We walked on. We had to ask directions to the hotel on the way, but I honestly have never seen Ronnie quite so angry, and she was charging into the crazy traffic without hardly a glance daring them to hit her. By the time we arrived at the hotel, we had lost our pursuers, or they simply gave up. We decided in the end they got what they deserved and were almost glad I couldn’t get any more $ out of the ATM. I don’t know if we won the war, but we certainly did not lose it altogether. However the credit card is another story.
We finally boarded the shuttle back to the ship, only to find we were the only two passengers on the bus. We when we started out, we noticed that it was going an entirely different route than it had in the morning. We tried to talk to the driver and escort, but neither spoke much English. They kept saying “ship” and nodding. We drove to the port area and saw some interesting sights along the way, including many well lit shops and sidewalk vendors. We even saw a man on a bicycle actually transporting a full size door! As we drove around the port area, it became clear that our driver did not know where he was going. He stopped at a booth and I guess asked directions. He and the escort were having a quite animated conversation with each other. We saw a lot of containers ships but no sign of our cruise ship. We thought, great! – first Rickshaw Ricky and now a lost driver with only the two of us and no way to communicate with him. He tried another entry to the port and a bus was coming out toward us. He backed up to let the bus out and I felt a bit better when I recognized people on the bus from the ship. When he did go in the gate, we drove around and around some more with the driver obviously unclear where we were going, and still no sign of our ship. Finally he arrived at a little white canopy with some of the Regent crew standing on the pier next to a large container ship. That was the dreaded ship that took our spot.
Apparently the hydrofoils had stopped so we were now using the ship’s tenders. It was a long wait and a long tender ride back, but we saw the ship’s concierge on the dock who told us to call immediately when we got on the ship and cancel our credit card, which we did. We arranged to have another one sent to the ship’s port agent in Hong Kong, or so we thought (it went to Hong Kong but was returned by UPS because the address was incomplete).
During the night the ship was able to dock (I guess enough hands were greased), so we just took a shuttle the next day. We went to the beautiful colonial post office building, walked by the unification square and government buildings and finally arrived back at the market. Of course many rickshaws around the market again, and I kept seeing Rickshaw Ricky every where I looked. Of course every rickshaw bike looks pretty much the same, and I was more than a bit paranoid at that point. Actually we never saw him, and when approached by new hawkers for another rickshaw ride, we just laughed. Finally, we made our way back to the tax department store, where the shuttle dropped us off. We discovered it is really a series of independent stores inside a bigger store. We had lunch overlooking the main square in a cute local coffee shop, walked around that area a bit and then took the shuttle back to the ship. We were not sorry to see Ho Chi Minh City fade into the distance as we pulled out of the port.
We have been in port so much lately that I have gotten way behind in my posts, but I will keep trying to catch up. Because of doing a daily devotion and teaching a meditation class on sea days, as well as going to lectures and doing a few deck games, I don’t seem to have any time!
Ho Chi Minh City (the locals still call it Saigon), Vietnam is hectic, cheap, dirty, and full of surprises. The first day we had to take a hydrofoil from the ship to a shuttle bus as our dock was taken by a container ship. The excuse was that the container ship needed repair, but we guessed later that it was the port authorities who needed their palms greased. Anyway the hydrofoil was fast and we walked down the main street in the rain to the big market. Luckily it is covered, so aside from needing our rain ponchos walking there, we did not have any problem. I bit on some silk pajamas, Ronnie on some perfume, and a few other small items, but the market is large enough that we were ready for lunch when we finished. We exited the market into the usual frenzy of hawkers, mostly trying to get you to take a rickshaw ride. It’s really more like a bicycle with a seat on the front, and one driver noticed our search for a restaurant and offered to take us to a local one for $1 for both of us. Well, we took the bait and off we went into the crazy Saigon traffic. And I mean crazy.
The millions of motor scooters, mopeds, motorcycles and occasional cars pay no attention to lights, crosswalks, or anything else. It’s a constant game of chicken to see who will yield to whom. Amazingly enough the initial total panic that we experienced going headlong into this chaos soon dissipated into somewhat amazed appreciation for the fact that it somehow seemed to work. We didn’t see any accidents, but we did hear that several people die each week in the city from motorbike accidents. Most do wear helmets, but we saw a family of four on one bike, and only the parents were wearing helmets (see photo).
It was a lot further than we anticipated to the restaurant, but the food was reasonably good and inexpensive. We noticed Rickshaw Ricky (as Ronnie has since come to call him) and his sidekick having a lunch on the house (we think, anyway) for bringing us there. And they were waiting for us afterwards, telling us all the places they would take us. Of course they had warmed us up at that point, calling us “Mamma” and “Poppa” and taking our photos in the Rickshaws. We did ask how much, and they said “Whatever you want to pay.” In my mind I was thinking if the ride to the restaurant was $1, maybe a few more stops would be a few more dollars. Of course we had been warned to agree to a firm price for transportation, but foolishly we went on without any. We actually had a great tour around the city, visiting temples, government buildings, churches, and the one we wanted to see most: The War Remnants Museum. Of course the time we went the wrong way on a one way street was terrifying, along with the time that Ronnie’s driver got way ahead of mine so we missed the light and my guy went right through the red light anyway. You think the traffic stopped for us? Yeah, right!?! But no one hit us and they did manage to weave their way around us.
Before telling about the second Vietnam War, as I have come to call the end of our Rickshaw ride, I will tell about the first Vietnam War from the Vietnamese perspective. Of course, from their perspective, it is called “The American War.” The War Remnants Museum shows not only artifacts of the war (see photo of American helicopter), but also depicts in photographs many massacres, such as Mi Lai, and the defoliation and human disease, death, and injury caused by burning napalm, Agent Orange and other chemicals. Indeed they claim Americans used Viet Nam as a place to test the effects of chemical warfare. They also show reconstructed prison cells where they claim Viet Cong prisoners were held, and alleged torture techniques used such as water boarding (sound familiar?).
Of course it is all very one sided, but we were reminded that it is their country, and they saw the US as invaders. Our perspective was that it was a civil war and the Viet Cong were the invading communists from the north. Again they saw the South Vietnamese as nothing more than a corrupt government and a puppet of the imperialist United States. Some of the questions that came up in my mind were: what would Viet Nam be like today if we had not gotten involved there? What did we accomplish? They see it as a great source of pride that they “won the war” and forced one of the most powerful nations of the world to withdraw. Our Rickshaw Ricky made is clear that after the Americans left Saigon, the North dropped bombs on Saigon since the South was still fighting and it is clear that many in the South suffered (death, imprisonment, loss of home and family) when the communists took over. Regardless of how you might feel about the war, you have to admire the ingenuity and determination of the Viet Cong.
Now to the second war. When we finished our tour the rickshaws stopped in a somewhat deserted street a few blocks from the hotel name we had given them, which was near our shuttle stop. We were thinking around $20 to be generous. They proceeded to tell us that no, it was $50 a piece. We reminded them they said whatever we wanted to pay, and they brought out a sheet showing how much they were supposed to get an hour. Of course, we couldn’t really figure out the sheet, and the little I could figure was that we owed them a whole lot less than they were asking, and all the dollars we had added up to about $17 (except for a $50 bill hidden away, which I was not about to give them). We offered them that, but they said they were insulted and their voices raised and got to the yelling point. Ronnie told them clearly not to yell, and I said if they cold take us to an ATM I might consider giving them more. They wanted us to get back in the Rickshaws, but no way we were doing that.
We followed them to the ATM, and when I put in my card, I was having trouble figuring out how much to get because of the conversion rate (about 17,000 dong to the dollar). Twice it asked me if I needed more time and I said yes, and then it finally said I was taking too long and ate my card! We were now much more upset by losing the card and told the drivers that. Rickshaw Ricky called the number listed on the ATM and finally got an English speaking man on the phone. He told me I could possibly pick up my card at their bank office 3 days later after 4 p.m. I told him we were leaving tomorrow early afternoon, and he said he would see what he could do and got my email address. Then Rickshaw Ricky was upset that we could not get money out of the machine and tried calling again. It was after 5 p.m. and there was no way the bank was doing anything then. We then started to walk away and noticed a security guard nearby laughing at the whole scene. I guessed he had seen the war before.
We gave Rickshaw Ricky the $17 and continued walking away with the two of them following us and continuing to demand more and wanting us to meet them the next morning back at the ATM to give them more $. We walked on. We had to ask directions to the hotel on the way, but I honestly have never seen Ronnie quite so angry, and she was charging into the crazy traffic without hardly a glance daring them to hit her. By the time we arrived at the hotel, we had lost our pursuers, or they simply gave up. We decided in the end they got what they deserved and were almost glad I couldn’t get any more $ out of the ATM. I don’t know if we won the war, but we certainly did not lose it altogether. However the credit card is another story.
We finally boarded the shuttle back to the ship, only to find we were the only two passengers on the bus. We when we started out, we noticed that it was going an entirely different route than it had in the morning. We tried to talk to the driver and escort, but neither spoke much English. They kept saying “ship” and nodding. We drove to the port area and saw some interesting sights along the way, including many well lit shops and sidewalk vendors. We even saw a man on a bicycle actually transporting a full size door! As we drove around the port area, it became clear that our driver did not know where he was going. He stopped at a booth and I guess asked directions. He and the escort were having a quite animated conversation with each other. We saw a lot of containers ships but no sign of our cruise ship. We thought, great! – first Rickshaw Ricky and now a lost driver with only the two of us and no way to communicate with him. He tried another entry to the port and a bus was coming out toward us. He backed up to let the bus out and I felt a bit better when I recognized people on the bus from the ship. When he did go in the gate, we drove around and around some more with the driver obviously unclear where we were going, and still no sign of our ship. Finally he arrived at a little white canopy with some of the Regent crew standing on the pier next to a large container ship. That was the dreaded ship that took our spot.
Apparently the hydrofoils had stopped so we were now using the ship’s tenders. It was a long wait and a long tender ride back, but we saw the ship’s concierge on the dock who told us to call immediately when we got on the ship and cancel our credit card, which we did. We arranged to have another one sent to the ship’s port agent in Hong Kong, or so we thought (it went to Hong Kong but was returned by UPS because the address was incomplete).
During the night the ship was able to dock (I guess enough hands were greased), so we just took a shuttle the next day. We went to the beautiful colonial post office building, walked by the unification square and government buildings and finally arrived back at the market. Of course many rickshaws around the market again, and I kept seeing Rickshaw Ricky every where I looked. Of course every rickshaw bike looks pretty much the same, and I was more than a bit paranoid at that point. Actually we never saw him, and when approached by new hawkers for another rickshaw ride, we just laughed. Finally, we made our way back to the tax department store, where the shuttle dropped us off. We discovered it is really a series of independent stores inside a bigger store. We had lunch overlooking the main square in a cute local coffee shop, walked around that area a bit and then took the shuttle back to the ship. We were not sorry to see Ho Chi Minh City fade into the distance as we pulled out of the port.